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    lj user geniepro is ready to develop gui for freearc. now the question is how it should look and operate. please write your thoughts (russian also ok, and may be even preferable because he knows it better)

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    my own thooughts are:

    >?????-???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? GUI ????? ??? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ???????, ? ?????? ?? ????????...

    ?? ?????? ????????, ?? winrar'?? ? ??? 5 ??? ?? ???????????. ??????, ???? ? ?? ????????. ?????? ??? ????? ???????? winace

    ??? ???????? ?? ???????? ????, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ? ??????? - ???? ??? ???????? ?????????. ??? ??? ????????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ??? ????????, ??? ??? ????????? ??????, ?????? ?? cd-r

    ??????? ??????? - ??-??????, ?????????? ?? ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????????
    (??? ? ????-?????????) ??? ?????? ???????????? ????? ??????????? ?? ?????? Apply. ?????? - ???????????? ?? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??????? (??? ??? ??????) ??? ?? ????? ?????????????, ????????? ? ?????? ????? ? ?.?.

    ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ?? ??????? ?????? apply ??? ??????? ????? ???????, ?? ??????? - ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????????? ?????? (??? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ?????? ????????????? ?????????????). ??? ??? ??? ???????? ????? - ???? ????? ? ???? ??????, ?? ??????????? - ????????/???? ??? ?????? ? ??????????? ??????? ????????????. ???????????? ??????? ????-???? ?????, ????? ???????? ?????? apply ? ??? ???????????. ???? undo/redo, ??????? ???????? ? ?????? ???????

    ??????? ???? ?????????? winrk, winace, powerarchiver, winzip, ???????? ?????? ????? ????? ????????????? ? ????????? ??????. ??, ??? ? ??????, ??????? ? winrk, ???? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????????

    ??? ???? ?????????, ????????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ? ?? ?? ????? ????????? - ??? ??????????? juliet-prg.narod.ru, ??? ??? ???? ? ????? NC ? ???? ? ?????? ?? ??? - ???????????? ?? ??????????. ???-?? ? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ????????????? ????????????????, ? ???????? ?????????

    ??, ??????, ????????????? ? linux - ????? ?????? ????, ????????? ? ???????, ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ??????

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    I vote for WinRAR feel and look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by encode
    I vote for WinRAR feel and look!
    So do I!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Fox
    So do I!
    And I!

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    И я! И я! И я того же мнениЯ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geniepro
    И я! И я! И я того же мнениЯ!
    Looks like we all agree on the WinRar vote!

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    Quote Originally Posted by encode
    I vote for WinRAR feel and look!
    IMHO, самое ценное в GUI это возможность встроить его в контекстное меню проводника Windows. При этом понадобятся формочки настроек алгоритмов сжатия. Остальные фишки обычно не нужны. В таком виде мне больше нравится 7-Zip.
    Enjoy coding, enjoy life!

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    Yes, right-click integration is the reason why I still prefer rar to 7z even though 7z has sometimes better ratio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Fox
    Yes, right-click integration
    geniepro, how about trying to start with it?

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    from http://forum.compression.ru/viewtopic.php?p=6080#6 080:

    ??? ???? GUI ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???? Explorer ???:
    1. ?????????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? (? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ?????);
    2. ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ???????????? ???????? ????????? ??????.
    ?? ? ? ?????? - ??????????? ?? ? ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ??????.
    ?? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????????? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????????????? ????? ?????? (????????, ??? ????????? ?????? DICT->PPM ????????? DICT->LZMA).
    ????.

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    I agree with nemoW:
    1. Add to archive... (settings done manually)
    2. Extract to folder... (settings done manually)
    and also
    3. Extract to folder {archivename}
    (I don't see any sense in "compress and send by e-mail)

    EDIT: Even better would be when user himself could choose what to include in context menu. There are 12 possible options in WinRAR But I have no idea how difficult is to implement customizable context menu...

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    Bulat Ziganshin :

    BF>> Yes, right-click integration

    BZ> geniepro, how about trying to start with it?

    I'll try...
    Интересно, тут без WinAPI вряд ли обойдёшься... Как насчёт совместимости с Linux? Ну ладно, далее видно будет.

    Пытаюсь скомпилить исходники ФриАрка - его можно переделать в dll? И насколько это трудно?
    Ещё модули на С++ - лучше б их не было, а то компиляция усложняется... но это так, к слову...

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    of course, right-click integration is OS-specicfic (even if possible in Linux at all)

    i don't know anything about development of dll with GHC. well, i know it's possible, although there are some problems with shutting down GHC RTS. if you have questions, i can translate them and ask at cafe

    my compile scripts/makefiles compile the whole project, you need only to add c++ compiler and libs to your ghc installation. i've imported the following files:

    C:BaseCompilerghcgcc-liblibstdc++.la
    C:BaseCompilerghcgcc-liblibsupc++.la
    C:BaseCompilerghcgcc-liblibstdc++.a
    C:BaseCompilerghcgcc-liblibsupc++.a
    C:BaseCompilerghcgcc-libcc1plus.exe

    from gcc 3.4.5

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    2 Bulat Ziganshin:

    Почему GHC6.6 (win32) у меня упорно игнорирует препроцессорные директивы?

    #ifdef FREEARC_WIN
    import System.Win32
    #endif

    #if !defined(FREEARC_WIN) && !defined(FREEARC_UNIX)
    #error "You must define OS!"
    #endif

    Как увидит это - так сразу в истерику впадает...

    Utils.hs:37:1: lexical error at character 'f'

    Компиляю такой командой:

    ghc --make Arc.hs -O3 -fglasgow-exts

    Может, ещё какие опции добавить? (Опции из makefile вызывают ошибки ghc: unrecognised flags: -mcpu=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fstrict-aliasing)...

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    1. -cpp

    2. ??? gcc-???? ?????, ?? ?????????? ? ghc ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????: -optc-mcpu=pentiumpro. ?? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???????????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ????? compile-O2.btm (?????????? ??? ? .cmd ? ???? ?????)

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    ????? ???????????? ?? ????? 6.6, ? ????? ?????? ????. ? ?????? ???? ????????? usability ????????

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    Bulat Ziganshin

    Я дико извиняюсь, но в какой кодировке Вы пишите? Опера с FF не понимают...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geniepro
    ? ???? ?????????, ?? ? ????? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ? FF ?? ????????.
    win 1251

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    i have all 3 progs installed, but maxthon is a bit better for me. i will try ie7 instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimdamsk
    win 1251
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat Ziganshin
    lj user geniepro is ready to develop gui for freearc. now the question is how it should look and operate. please write your thoughts (russian also ok, and may be even preferable because he knows it better)
    When can we expect a working alpha or beta release?

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    BULAT if need a hand for the GUI they are to disposition! Fantastic I work for FreeARC 0.40!

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    Nania Francesco Antonio

    if you want to write freearc GUI or include FreeARC support in GUI archiver you write, i will help you as much as i can. or you suggest something else?

    generally speaking, i know how to develop gui, this just need too much time

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    By the way, congratulations, Bulat. Your FreeArc takes #1 spot at efficiency MFC test!

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    I wanted to ask confirms yourself than you has written me because the translator from the English that I have at times doesn't make me understand well the sentences in Italian! From how much I have understood, do give me the confirmation if it is correct, you would be in accord if I lend you a hand to GUI to write a version? or would you like to insert him/it together with my algorithm in my WinTURTLE as separate console compressor ? If I have understood well you can write me to this address E-mail: miadebora@hotmail.it!

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    Excuse me
    Naturally last message is for BULAT!

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    thanks for congratulations! although it will be fair to share them with all the authors of compression libraries used in freearc - my own work was mainly to properly integrate them all

    Nania, i got your letter, and will answer in a few days

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    instead of gui, i just made Total Commader add-on which allows to work with .arc archives within this filemanager: http://www.haskell.org/bz/freearc.addon

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